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“It is hard indeed to notice anything for which the languages available to us have no description.”
― Alan Wilson Watts
Interesting… I’d argue that the use of symbols is what makes humans unique. That one thing can stand-in for another allows humans to contemplate potential realities in far more complex ways than material reality allows as practicable. Symbols can be combined to produce language, to plan, to contemplate and to mark relationships, to relate values, to utilize mathematics…
Symbols can also stand-in for and create their own realities. Merely shouting, “Tiger!” might elicit an even more powerful and lasting response within one’s subjective experience than might be evoked by actually seeing one. Our social structures are based in symbols… fashion and uniforms, religious iconographies, political affiliations, philosophies, “conspicuous consumption”, nationalism, money… It’s difficult to imagine much of “humanity” beyond our most coarse of animal behaviors that doesn’t somehow revolve around the use of or response to symbols, or their influence upon our cognitive responses.
I also think that looking past, or perhaps through those symbolic representations to *experience* directly is the underlying objective of Zen. It’s about noticing the qualia of “redness” as opposed to color “red”. So that despite Mr. Watts’ suggestion above, it is at least momentarily possible… just counter to how we spend lifetimes learning how to think.
Yes , language and symbols are interwoven, however a Symbol remains as a testimony through History, meanwhile languages evolve, and perish.
We may struggle to find meaning to ancient symbols, disconnected today from our current language, and zeitgeist, but always the studious, could find a key to unlock its secrets, or by mere luck like finding the Rosetta stone, but there is even more to it, the fact we never stop dreaming, and when we remember what we dream, it come to us more in symbols than words, even if words are expressed they posses a hidden meaning, that we may be force to search for it in order to understand the message in our dream.
As for example once over my life when trying to mend my relationship to an ex, she appeared to me in a dream and she said only one word:
“Connecticut.”
I woke trying to figure why she would mention a State with no relation to our lives, until it downed on me!
So symbols and language are linked, but ultimate Symbol can be the key for our understanding of those things that are beyond reasoning, like the Buddha holding a flower, and smiling to Mahākāśyapa.
As a note the Stars= Astrology, its known by the cognoscenti; as the only book that men can’t burn, and the reason of my post, but please do not misunderstand, horoscopy, its just or Judicial Astrology its just a small part of the real study of it, who has to do more our subjective being, and diverse fields as Psychology, Symbology, Ontology, Anthropology, Art, and many other derivations in numerous fields, too long to mention here.
Thank you for your thoughtful and great response. 🙂
I often wonder just how much civilization has been lost throughout time due to the turnover of power to conquering armies. The mathematics and engineering skills that it took to build the pyramids, for example, not just in Egypt bit in the Central Americas, seem to be have been lost when the civilization was conquered. The lost books from the library in Alexandria. What could they tell us. Similarly, the ones Hitler burned. The gigantic Buddhist statues in the dessert that the Taliban blew up some years ago. What secrets did they hold. Imagine how much more advanced mankind would be if we didn’t have part of the population denigrating and denying science and by extract, knowledge and wisdom. Maybe we’d be talking about physics in the cafe instead of the Kardashians. Lovely post. 👏
Yes, but not only that, time and our short memory, are as guilty as well, in Iran somewhere in the desert there’s one of many lost cities which name I forgot, Its inhabitants wanted to perpetuate their history by building great monuments and steles, commemorating their great conquests and achievements, the irony of the matter, is that it has not been possible for our scholars, unable still decipher their written language!
Thank you for your insightful comment. 🙂
Wow. Imagine all the knowledge that has been lost to time and adverse circumstances.
I often wonder just how much civilization has been lost throughout time due to the turnover of power to conquering armies. The mathematics and engineering skills that it took to build the pyramids, for example, not just in Egypt bit in the Central Americas, seem to be have been lost when the civilization was conquered. The lost books from the library in Alexandria. What could they tell us. Similarly, the ones Hitler burned. The gigantic Buddhist statues in the dessert that the Taliban blew up some years ago. What secrets did they hold. Imagine how much more advanced mankind would be if we didn’t have part of the population denigrating and denying science and by extract, knowledge and wisdom. Maybe we’d be talking about physics in the cafe instead of the Kardashians. Lovely post. 👏
Another thought provoking post. Thank you.
Thank you Don, your comment its appreciated. 🙂
enjoyed this historical commentary!
perhaps someday we’ll communicate
what we really mean to say 🙂
Now, that is a tall order!
Be happy with with more or less catch up with what your better half its trying to communicate, with subtle hints, or worst, attitudes! 🙂
Fascinating read.
Thank you for your comment. 🙂
Truly amazing facts. Everything exists and existed whether we know about it or no. Interesting article, and I had not read about these phenomenal discoveries yet.
One o f the problems with today Scholarly knowledge its very specialized, and narrow, few people study, and the most (people in general) do not care, together with the prolific avalanche of new studies of all sorts, some of these discoveries are of little interest to many, and the sole province of a few specialist.
As for example Mathematics and History are academic subjects were you need to get a degree in Mathematics, and one on History. Also, you probably need to have some understanding of languages like Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, Arabic etc. And only you can go for teaching jobs. You may be a teacher in school or college with this both the subjects. Only some posts available for higher studies in history and some research work can be allotted by the government in their archaeological department and museums.
For starters who its even aware you can study a career in the History of Mathematics?
And with your prospective employment, not very likely you will choose such a career.
So unless you have a great passion for it, well, its no wonder most people never heard of it, when in fact Neugebauer publish it on 1934. “Vorgrieschische Mathematik” Vorgriechische Mathematik en vorlesungen über die Geschichte der antiken mathematischen Wissenschaften.
Thank you Inese for your comment. 🙂
Fascinating, so interesting!
If the pyramids are older than Babylonia, though, by thousands of years, wouldn’t the Africans in Northern Egypt have had to delve into all levels of math and astronomy along with engineering in order to get the exacting measures and placement of those colossal stones? The pyramids couldn’t have been built without math, right? So maybe the knowledge went out of Africa and disseminated upward…as so many things from Africa (which academia to this day is reluctant to admit) did. Just curious here, trying to orient myself in time…..
Thanks for the thought-provoking post!
Your point its very valid, however we know they had mathematics.
We just not posses too many found documents, or stones engravings about it.
Here:
“Ancient Egyptian mathematics is the mathematics that was developed and used in Ancient Egypt c. 3000 to c. 300 BC, from the Old Kingdom of Egypt until roughly the beginning of Hellenistic Egypt. The ancient Egyptians utilized a numeral system for counting and solving written mathematical problems, often involving multiplication and fractions. Evidence for Egyptian mathematics is limited to a scarce amount of surviving sources written on papyri. From these texts it is known that ancient Egyptians understood concepts of geometry, such as determining the surface area and volume of three-dimensional shapes useful for architectural engineering, and algebra, such as the false position method and quadratic equations.
They have little bit an pieces of information all around like the The Moscow Mathematical Papyrus, the Egyptian Mathematical Leather Roll, the Lahun Mathematical Papyri which are a part of the much larger collection of Kahun Papyri and the Berlin Papyrus 6619 all date to this period. The Rhind Mathematical Papyrus which dates to the Second Intermediate Period (c. 1650 BC) is said to be based on an older mathematical text from the 12th dynasty.
The Moscow Mathematical Papyrus and Rhind Mathematical Papyrus are so called mathematical problem texts. They consist of a collection of problems with solutions. These texts may have been written by a teacher or a student engaged in solving typical mathematics problems.”
Also in other posts I had talk about the Zodiac of the temple of Dendera, proof enough of their Astronomical achievements, It is now on display at the Musée du Louvre, Paris.
Thank you for interest and your comment, we appreciate it. 🙂
Strangely, or not, it seems that there’s only the symbolic when it comes to trying to express what we moderns refer to as reality. Perhaps it is the modern view that assumes that we know something we call reality, that wonders what a symbol is? Isn’t the body itself the veil?
Thank you for the thought provoking post, as always!
Ferdinand De Sassure destroyed the idea that Language it is fixed in meaning through words, being malleable in Nature, and meaning through times, language and cultures, not even the same word can have a specific meaning to two persons who know each other well, then come Jacques Derrida, with deconstruction is an approach to understanding the relationship between text and meaning. … The purpose of deconstruction is to show that the usage of language in a given text, and language as a whole, are irreducibly complex, unstable, or impossible.
Symbol on the other hand remains as the only fixture we can use not to fix language, but to provide an understanding, about a complex idea, that can provide individual, and collective meaning when its secret its revealed, or understood.
About the body, well yes its the veil of True Self. ask Nisargadatta Maharaj, that casually I am just reading.
Thank you Debra for your comment. 🙂
Thanks for your reply! Seemingly simple understandings, but life changing when experienced!
Lots of information. Thank you! So much more documentation with Babylonia, I guess, so that we’re much clearer on what was going on there. Who knows what knowledge has been lost? It boggles the mind. A reader mentioned above all the information lost (destroyed) in the Library at Alexandria….can you even imagine what might have been in there? I can’t…..
Well, yes in fact so much papyri wast lost at the Alexandria famous library fire, that its possibly the reason why we do not know more about Egyptian mathematics. 😦
El conocimiento, bendición de los tiempos.
Asi es, gracias por tu comentario. 🙂
I was reading comments, and as I can see w believe that we have lost a lot. Originals we might, but nothing in the universe ever gets lost. We could say its encrypted in the mind of universe and this whatever knowledge or discovery waits there until it’s perceived by somebody and carried on.
But we also do not value enough things that come to us from the past. The most absurd thing is war in any sense. Wars cause abnormal losses, not only human lives, but we could say the roots of that region. Wars are also the hugest pollutants of atmosphere. For some unknown reason we never learn, there is always somebody who needs to cause violent interaction. That is putting the monuments of the historic greatness at huge risk.
There is also so much misunderstanding when it comes to symbols. Each ancient civilization had a way of symbolically expressing their magnitude, their fears, their deities, their way of life. It’s never so that we can understand them all, but it happens that we draw wrong conclusions.
I do see dreams ( as in sleep) as communication with the subconscious mind. They are frequently warning, encouraging signs and they can point to things we should avoid or straight the opposite to pursue immediately.
You are right nothing its lost, when the right time comes its just appear, example the Death Sea Scrolls 1946, the Nag Hammadi books 1945, it was the moment when Astrologers all over the World were proclaiming the advent of a New Age, with the end of WWII, maybe just pure coincidence, but for what you are telling me you wouldn’t believe so, you are an artist, so you know Intuitively how things work.
Ideas, an things have their Zeitgeist, or what the ancient Greeks called Kairos.
Yes dreams are a connection with that Matrix we call for the lack of words, primordial Being, and according to different cultures, so many other names.
Thank you Inese for your comment, always appreciated. 🙂
It might be that science dismiss of symbolic ideas, but even today most societies show a comprehensive use of symbols.
Most Sciences deal with the objective, and those who don’t like Psychology, Philosophy, and many other subjective Sciences that border on Art, creativity and not subject to experiment, but to common sense, and even Intuition, are dismissed, by some scientist, even subjectivity itself as just a a chemical reaction in our brains, that once we understand the process, we will be able to really capture it.
Well, my question what’s the point from a right brain, if all we want to do is to use the left?
Thanks for your comment Otto. 🙂
We do need both halves of the brain, don’t we.
Indeed! 🙂
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