IGNORANCE, THE HUMAN CONDITION.

Ignorance

“It is not conflict of opinions that has made history so violent but conflict of belief in opinions, that is to say conflict of convictions.”

Friedrich Nietzsche, Human, All Too Human.

When in my late teens, the books of Friedriech  Nietzsche started to circulate with those students between us who undeservedly,  thought ourselves, at such young age as ‘intellectuals.’

I smile now at our arrogance, and ignorance,  at such young age, but vividly remember using the title of Nietzsche’s book, Human, All Too Human: A book for free spirits.’ Very often with condescending ironic tone, and a smile, when we heard, or  witnessed,  some stupidity, or act of ignorance, committed by whoever, or whatever event provoked us, empathizing the words; Human all too Human!

In accordance with the old Latin Proverb: Errare humanum est. ‘To err is human, but to persist in error (out of pride) is diabolical.’

Sadly, we never had to wait too long without having a chance to use it!

Cafe Philosophy

It’s common knowledge now day to see our World as chaotic, and a mess out of control, and we despair at the thought Mankind may not be around for too long if we persist to be ignorant of the problems we are constantly creating, and that have global repercussions, with few solutions in sight.

We even wonder what is at the root of these problems, and some of us we even choose far fetch reasons of our choosing, according to our own weakness, and proclivities, as our beliefs in opinions as Nietzsche’s quote above.

In the classic movie my dinner with Andre(1981) the following conversation took place:

”I think it’s quite possible that the 1960s represented the last burst of the human being before it was extinguished, and that this is the beginning of the rest of the future now. That from now on, there will simply be all these robots walking around – feeling nothing, thinking nothing, and that there will be nobody left almost to remind them that there once was a species called a human being with feelings and thoughts, and that history and memory are right now being erased and that soon nobody will really remember that life existed on the planet.”

Andre, My Dinner With Andre

My dinner with Andre

Our Many Maladies

There’s hundreds of people who have compiled lists with titles as: 50 reasons why Humans are too stupid to survive, or a 100 reasons, and have little faith Men will accomplish anything but annihilation not only of the Human race, but of the World we all live in , as well.

Reasons too long to list here, and redundant, all we got to do in the morning when we wake up is to turn on the news, and a good reason why for many years I now do not care to follow the news, but occasionally, and not very often, you could say I pick, and choose+ the events I care to watch.

Also occasionally I am baffled by some new idea of why we are all walking like lemmings to our doom, when talking to particular individuals with wacky ideas, or even bright, and intelligent but with far fetch  reasons, they read here, or there, some even as bold to be the creators of such idea. No need to say more; if like me you are exposed to talk with all sort of people, I am sure you have heard it all, and as the days roll along, more keep coming!

Fire and Brimstone

What it’s rare, are those who have anything positive to say, and we may even look at them as people with good intentions, but too naive.

As to why  we seem unable in almost every place, and age in time to learn from History lessons baffle many of us, and therefore the multiple explanations people come with.

Occam’s Razor

Ockham’s razor; Latin: lex parsimoniaelaw of parsimony“) is a problem-solving principle attributed to William of Ockham (c. 1287–1347), who was an English Franciscan friar, scholastic philosopher, and theologian. His principle states that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

In science, Occam’s razor is used as a heuristic guide in the development of theoretical models, rather than as a rigorous arbiter between candidate models. In the scientific method, Occam’s razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result; the preference for simplicity in the scientific method is based on the falsifiability criterion. For each accepted explanation of a phenomenon, there may be an extremely large, perhaps even incomprehensible, number of possible and more complex alternatives. Since one can always burden failing explanations with ad hoc hypotheses to prevent them from being falsified, simpler theories are preferable to more complex ones because they are more testable.

In few words Occam’s razor, is not infallible, but it has become a very reliable tool to cut the B.S. out of  Science. When investigating a theory, and the feasibility of it, as a fact, Occam’s razor it’s hard to beat.

A simpler explanation, most of the time comes to be the  correct answer.

And the great thing about it, is that the solution to what it seems subjective, and complex issues of sometimes unfathomable nature, they posses a simple explanation.

Dylan Safford-William of Ockham

Giving Up

For a brief time in History, it seems to be periods of greatness, and enlightened men who guide us through the stormy Oceans of life, just to fade into oblivion and we are faced with new, and never ending problems of many kinds., and most people wish  new champions, or at least one, a giant between men, a Messiah may arise, and like a bridge over troubled waters may guide us to safety.

Abdicating in that way on our personal responsibility, at the state of affairs of the World, true, you can be a very nice guy, or gal, but you rather have someone else doing the job for you, of cleaning up the mess!

Carl Jung

Ignorance

If we look for a culprit, we no longer need to look for specifics, we are in the state we are thanks to our collective ignorance.

Unfortunately Darwin’s theory of Evolution explain  our biological evolution, but has little to do with our Human condition as social individuals, who require to be taught since the moment we are born to become decent, and useful citizens of the community, or place we live in.

We know now that about one child in a thousand, however, is born with no ability to hear whatsoever. Years ago such people were called deaf-mutes. Often they were considered retarded, and in a sense they were: they’d never learned language, a process that primes the pump for much later development. The critical age range seems to be 21 to 36 months. During this period children pick up the basics of language easily, and in so doing establish essential cognitive infrastructure. Later on it’s far more difficult. If the congenitally deaf aren’t diagnosed before they start school, they may face severe learning problems for the rest of their lives, even if in other respects their intelligence is normal.

And so my argument is we need to learn our social skills, and to be virtuous, like almost everything else, since it’s not a given!

Learning it’s consilient, we build like a wall with bricks, through our life, since early childhood, to old age.

Learning it's consilient

And the reason why Humanity never seem to progress historically speaking, since every individual regardless has to start from zero, and learning it’s a process that it ends with death, not with certain age, and I do need to tell you this, you all know it, some people it’s more ignorant than others, because what the individual has learned through his/her life. And society it’s as good as the sum of it’s Wisdom, a poor amount of wise individuals over a majority of ignorant people, do not reflect good at the state of society, period.

Jim Rohn

Knowledge and Wisdom

Knowledge it’s acquired with teaching, and schooling,  Wisdom it’s shown by our behavior, in how we apply what we have learnt.

We want a better World, we need a better society, we want a better society, equals  better individuals, we want better individuals, they need to be taught, more education, less evils, like violence, war, poverty, crime, and less ignorant people.

And we cannot slack on it, as we are currently doing, and no, it’s shouldn’t be about money, and a privilege for the few, but about the right of the individual to have an inalienable right to education, at all levels, and World governments around the globe should be hold responsible, and accountable of doing so.

Even with a great education, I do not believe we will be free of problems, however I know we will be a lot better.

Acquiring Knowledge, and Wisdom should be a priority of our existence, like in the Greek word Arete, or moral virtues, Knowledge, and Wisdom are the sinequanone in all Sacred Paths, I have talked about that abundantly in many past posts, so I would not do it here.

Athena - Greek Goddess of Wisdom

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70 Responses to IGNORANCE, THE HUMAN CONDITION.

  1. I have a feeling, Mr. Brigido, that for a better world or better society we need much more perserverance, especially in our Western world. Thank you very much for your always highly challenging posts.:)

    • theburningheart says:

      Yes, you are right Martina, a lot need to be done, by people, and governments in order to resolve the problem of how inadequate education it’s right now, to meet the gigantic challenge, of giving a proper education to all individuals.
      Thank you Martina, we appreciate your comment. 🙂

  2. Christy B says:

    Ignorance is something I still see today in society.. people don’t want to see the true world around them for fear of it not being what they want.. but it’s not truly “bliss” as the saying goes.. such a great topic for your post! Intriguing. Like you!

    • theburningheart says:

      Like the picture at the top says: ‘ignorance… is everywhere’ I am afraid that what most people understand by education, it’s not Real education, but simply a trade for them to earn money, and a livelihood, where the acquisition of moral virtues are not the goal, some professions even promote greed, and selfishness, which in itself, it’s the kind of wrong education!
      The blind, leading the blind, we need a holistic education, that fit the challenges to achieve, peace, and prosperity globe wide on all spheres, and areas of life, what good it’s to teach how to make money, if we can’t teach those people to be fair, caring, responsible, and honest?
      People at the top lack true education, and Virtue, therefore the state of affairs in the World.
      I bet you have a lot of suggestions that can improve the place you work, but do the boss, really want to hear it, or do something about it?
      (By the way if you do have a great boss, my apologies, and congratulations.)

      Thank you Christy we appreciate your comment, specially the last part! 🙂

    • kertsen says:

      It is definitely not what most of us want . Most of us seek a comfortable pleasing life where we can turn on the central heating, visit the doctor , and enjoy all the benefits of civilisation. Most of the globe don’t have these advantages so they are struggling to acquire them.

      • theburningheart says:

        Ignorance has a heavy price no doubt, even making people want what they shouldn’t, if people would be seeking Virtue instead of money, and power!
        The old argument of bread before anything else, sure we have heard that a million times.
        As it is we are all in a major struggle, for survival, I understand that, but tell that to the people who sell you the comforts you seek.
        They are ignorant too! 🙂

      • kertsen says:

        People want what their nature wills them to want and often that is in conflict with the needs of others. It has nothing whatever to do with ignorance , many exceptionally virtuous people are totally ignorant , that is a quality of nature, the religious call it a gift of God.
        Our struggle for survival has been caused by our intelligence enabling us to reach 7.5 billion and our development of technology which lays the world to waste. Just consider the damage done by the internal combustion engine.

  3. Sha'Tara says:

    Interesting article. I’m not so keen on mandatory education myself. If we look at how tribal peoples with no central government and no schools managed coexistence with nature and each other, prior to to onslaught of ‘civilization’ in those days children did not learn by rote, they learned by observing and by doing, or experience. They did not grow up institutional mind slaves groomed by institutional violence. They had real choices, and of course, real risks and responsibilities. It’s good, I suppose, to want more good things and less bad things, but the current state of man’s “civilization” will increasingly deny it to the vast majority. The “giving up” under these circumstances may be nature’s way of saying, don’t prop up this deadly farce any longer, let it die and after a time of mourning for what was lost, and learning to survive without it, you can think of rising again, but in a new way.

    • theburningheart says:

      I totally agree with you when I talk about education, it’s not the education you get at college to make a living, and that ‘s why I mention Arete, as the Greeks like Plato conceived it:
      Arete (Greek: ἀρετή), in its basic sense, means “excellence of any kind”. The term may also mean “moral virtue”. In its earliest appearance in Greek, this notion of excellence was ultimately bound up with the notion of the fulfillment of purpose or function: the act of living up to one’s full potential, by the acquiring of Virtue.
      Thing I have argued in many of my past posts, here is one:

      https://konekrusoskronos.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/education-a-crisis-of-values-virtue-a-return-to-arcadia-or-how-to-get-out-of-the-quagmire-of-materialism/

      Thank you for your comment Sha’ Tara. 🙂

      • kertsen says:

        The removal of grinding poverty must come first you cannot educate a starving man or woman, but the pyramid of wealth prevents that and always has done. Materialism is an essential first step towards freedom to think , time to consider if you are living on $2 per day you cannot do that.

      • theburningheart says:

        Why not attack both, poverty and Ignorance, as well?
        Fighting for equality, and help those billions of people, requires
        everything we got, and education as well, not only for the people with material needs, but for those who are causing the problem. 🙂

      • kertsen says:

        Because we cannot tackle that which we are causing to happen by our behaviour. We want what we have tasted of technology and all the scientific benefits it brings. That is why millions of migrants are trying at the risk of their lives to get into Europe or America. The problem you speak of is not a particular group of people it’s human nature.

  4. tmezpoetry says:

    Many good points made. I take the simplicity of kindness as a measure of wisdom. And I take the complexity of human will as a measure of ignorance sometimes even among ourselves.

  5. foodinbooks says:

    Another excellent, and thought-provoking, post. The condition of ignorance is one I see around me, and willful ignorance is frightening. I can’t comprehend someone WANTING to stay in ignorance, or even taking pleasure in their lack of knowledge. But as my grandfather, a very wise man, once said, “You can’t fix stupid.” Thank you for keeping my brain active with another of your fascinating articles.

    • theburningheart says:

      Thank you for your comment, I agree with what your grandfather said, people sometimes it’s just almost impossible to fix, I guess we all have to learn individually, our own lessons, and therefore the state of the World we live in. 🙂

    • kertsen says:

      Even the intelligent can enjoy ignorant pursuits , some even violent pursuits . The educated advanced part of the world is hardly leading the way for a better world for all , that is just not the way we are made.

      • theburningheart says:

        Intelligent even dogs, and monkeys can be intelligent, the education I am talking it’s the acquiring of Virtue, and that requires to be taught by Virtuous people, to the not Virtuous.

        And I never said, it would be an easy task! 🙂

      • kertsen says:

        I do not believe virtue can be taught anymore than intelligence . Because of our moral nature we nearly all have some virtue but there is a great variation just as there is with intelligence. My IQ is around 105 slightly above average many are much higher and many much lower. I’m 75 so I have picked up a lot of knowledge but there will be many concepts that I cannot grasp because of my lack of intelligence.
        Part of human nature is the ambition to improve and increasing our income enables big steps to be made. Many very virtuous people forgo their own ambitions to serve others but they are the exception not the rule.

  6. pjlazos says:

    Great post, and while I agree that it feels as though humanity is going to elk in a hand basket, as they say, I think that there’s still space for the knowing, still heart to walk between the veils and so take from life all it needs without getting bogged down in all the daily B.S. — greed, corruption, stepping on anyone and everyone to get ahead — and just live a peaceful life. It’s definriley harder than it used to be and takes focus, especially not to get angry at our political leaders, but I am working on it. 🙏

  7. DG MARYOGA says:

    “Acquiring Knowledge, and Wisdom should be a priority of our existence, like in the Greek word Arete, or moral virtues, Knowledge, and Wisdom are the sinequanone in all Sacred Paths … ”
    Well said,dear friend.
    Superb post as always,I am stunned by the way you delve into the real essence of knowledge and our worst enemy which is ignorance.Alas,if we could estimate it,it would be our first positive step into the infinite realm of knowledge.
    Heraclitus motto reads :“Day by day, what you choose, what you think and what you do is who you become.” And,Socrates supported : “Beware the barrenness of a busy life.”
    Thank you my friend for your stimulating post and for sharing with us the wisdom of your thoughts.

    • theburningheart says:

      Thank you Doda, for your great comment, and thank you for those lovely quotes by Heraclitus, and Socrates, here you hear from time, to time the quote: The unexamined life is not worth living, attributed to Socrates, on Plato’s Apology. 🙂

    • kertsen says:

      Our worst enemy is not knowing our own nature. We are not free to act as we may wish but carry a huge evolutionary baggage. Steven Pinker has suggested our minds may not be equipped to answer many of life’s problems. Freud said ‘ we are at war with ourselves ‘ and he was right.

      • theburningheart says:

        You are right in saying that our worst enemy it’s within ourselves, and therefore the need to be Virtuous.
        But as the evolutionary baggage, and all that song, and dance?
        Nah!
        I do not buy that, we had the example of many Virtuous people in the past.

        “The essence of knowledge is, having it, to apply it; not having it, to confess your ignorance.”
        Confucius. 🙂

      • kertsen says:

        The evolutionary baggage was developed before we gained our moral nature it was our instinct of survival and it is still with us in conflict with our more virtuous desires. The idea of the blank slate was shot to pieces by Steven Pinker in the book of that title . Many already suspected the innocent child concept was also rubbish and it took the brilliant novel ‘ The Lord of the Flies ‘ William Golding ‘ to bring the subject to public attention.

      • Sha'Tara says:

        I wasn’t going to get into this but your comment peaked my interest. OK, assuming our minds are not equipped to answer many of life’s problems, why can some minds do that anyway and not so many others? Programming then, or choice? I can’t accept the evolution argument since that would put everybody in the same boat, wouldn’t it? Not much you could do if evolution made you: you’d just be basically the same as everybody else. But if it was programming, that could be detected and overcome, by choice, however difficult. If we are evolved a certain way, why would evolution allow some to escape it’s processes and act counter to the norm? I don’t think that would be even possible.

      • kertsen says:

        Yes we are all in the same boat , the tall , the short, the ugly, the beautiful, the clever , the dumb , the cruel , the compassionate etc, and the boat moves on through time and we all react to changes according to our natures and our various abilities. The result is the world as we see it and experience it . The limit of our minds was not my idea but a suggestion by Steven Pinker in his difficult but fascinating book ‘ How the Mind Works. If you wish you can say the Mind was programmed by evolution and later by self -awareness and the process is still going on. Richard Dawkins believes that biological man will eventually give way to silicon man ( computers) he speculated this in ‘The Blind Watchmaker long ago. It’s a part of the book rather ignored because he allows his incredible imagination to free itself from logic. It is rather conceited of scientists to assume they can get to the bottom of things or even that there is a bottom to get to.

      • theburningheart says:

        Here is the meeting of Averroes, and Ibn Arabi:

        DR AVERROES, I PRESUME…

        There is an account – by Ibn al-‘Arabi self – of his meeting with Ibn Rushd (Averroes). His father was a close friend of the philosopher, who had heard a great deal of the young man and who was curious to meet him. So, on some pretext his father sent him to the house of Ibn Rushd. I have always wondered about the meaning of their curious meeting. In several books different explanations have been offered, but none was really satisfactory. In the Journal of the Ibn al-‘Arabi society I read an article dedicated to this meeting. Therein it was stressed that it is important to ask yourself about the meaning of this meeting between the young mystic and the elderly philosopher. But again no real explanation…

        Some time ago however I’ve read an explanation by Rodrigo de Zayas, which is by far the best explanation I have come across. I have in mind first to give the account of their meeting as translated by Henri Corbin (with small changes) and in a later post give the commentary of Rodrigo de Zayas thereon.

        “And so, one fine day, I went to Cordoba, to the house of Abu’l Walid Ibn Rushd (Averroes). He had expressed the desire to meet me personally, because he had heard of the revelations that God had accorded me in the course of my spiritual retirement, and he had made no secret of his astonishment at what he had been told. For this reason my father, who was one of his intimate friends, sent me to his house one day, pretexting some sort of errand, in reality to enable Ibn Rushd to have a talk with me. At that time I was still a beardless youth. When I entered, the master arose from his place, received me with signal marks of friendship and consideration, and finally embraced me. Then he said: ‘Yes.’ And I in turn said: ‘Yes.’ His joy was great at noting that I had understood. But then taking cognizance of what had called forth his joy, I added: ‘No.’ Immediately Ibn Rushd winced, the colour went out of his cheeks, he seemed to doubt his own thoughts. He asked me this question: ‘What manner of solution have you found through divine illumination and inspiration? Is it identical with that which we obtain from speculative reflection?’ I replied: ‘Yes and no. Between the yes and the no, spirits take their flight from their matter, and the necks are separated from their bodies’. Ibn Rushd turned pale, I saw him tremble; he murmured the ritual phrase ‘There is no power save in God’ – for he had understood my illusion.”

        What is the meaning of the curious dialogue of the philosopher and the mystic? They understood each other without too many words or even in an almost telepathical way. The subject matter has to do with the question in the last verse of the 75th sura of the Qur’an dealing with the resurrection: ‘Has not He the power to give life to the dead?’

        Ibn Rushd had understood the allusion of Ibn al-Arabi. It so happened that the young mystic (who is also nicknamed the son of Plato) paraphrased from a work of Plato which would surely be familiar to Ibn Rushd: ‘But fearing in this way to soil the divine principle and in the measure wherein this soilure cannot be absolutely avoided, they (the living who are divine who produce the living who are mortal) separate the mortal principle from the immortal soul and place it in another part of the body. This has the effect that a sort of barrier between the head and the stomach has been created. They placed the neck in between the two in order to separate them’.

        The ‘necks are separated from their bodies’ (see the text of the meeting in the previous post) in order to free the divine essence from the living who are mortal. The meeting deals with the problem of the resurrection and the final destiny of the spirit. Is it not true that the resurrection only concerns the spirit and has nothing to do with the body, the material covering of the spirit?
        Ibn Rushd deals with it as a logician. Ibn al-Arabi deals with it by making use of a metaphor of Plato. In response to the question of the last verse of the sura dealing with the resurrection: ‘Has not He the power to give life to the dead?’ the answer would be ‘Yes’ for the spirit and ‘No’ for the corporal material, the prison for the soul in exile.

        To quote once again from their meeting: ‘spirits take their flight from their matter, and the necks are separated from their bodies’. The flight of the spirit, free from material constraints, implies a return to its first origin by separating (by means of the neck) the ‘Yes’ from the ‘No’. This implies the realization of unity for the spirit with God.

        The opinion of Ibn al-‘Arabi is thus one of origin and destination and is an exclusively spiritual opinion. The material integrity of the body, necessary for the corporal resurrection, has no SPIRITUAL importance.

        This is different from the theological opinions of Ibn Rushd, who is at least a nominal defender of the opinions of the Maliki school of law. The things revealed to the young mystic, took place without an intermediary like the angel in the case of the prophet or the active intellect as would be necessary according to Ibn Rushd. This caused the paleness with Ibn Rushd and made him tremble, he who was familiar with Maliki opinions and who hold the opinion of the central importance of speculative reflection in this case. The two disagreed, although they understood each other, about the destiny of the spirit.

        The opinion of Rodrigo de Zayas (only partly represented in the above) is expressed in his ‘Ibn ‘Arabi ou le Maître d’amour’; Atlantica; Paris; 1998.

      • Sha'Tara says:

        Commenting to acknowledge having read the post, “the meeting of Averroes, and Ibn Arabi” and I find it an interesting discussion, on behalf of those who participated, and continue to participate in that event. I well remember pondering the subject of resurrection as a Christian a long time ago. Having subsequently come face to face, so to speak with the reality of reincarnation; of past and future lives, and having gone over those times, the resurrection concept, which logically can only be applicable to a material/physical body, no longer holds much interest for me except as an academic discussion. It would be of great interest however to those who cannot, or choose to not, enter into the past/future lives scenario. The huge problem with dependency on superior agencies to fulfill one’s self is that neither individuals, nor the species, are ever able to reach the maturity of understanding and continue to repeat their mistakes as nauseam.

      • theburningheart says:

        Well dear, Yes/No.
        This is a long story, and I do not know if you care to hear it, or if you will understand, since you are saying you are of some age, and had problems with certain Spiritual ideas.
        Life it’s a quest like the persuit of the Grail.
        Of course for those in the know, of the many knights of the round table only 3 were able to find the Grail.
        The great director Terry Gilliam through it’s art gave us a wonderful movie titled : The Fisher King, 1991. with the late Robert Williams, a sort of wonderful tale that few people cared, or even understood.

        In a more scholarly vein you can read the meeting of ibn Rušd (Averroes) and Ibn Arabi, that now it’s a classic exchange between those in the know by Divine revelation, and those that by their mere wit choose to dwell into the Spiritual issues. A little of what it seem to me you are trying to do, with no guidance but your own wit. I may be wrong, do not know you well enough, just a few of your opinions. 🙂

  8. Hopefully the more we learn about our complex world and our multi-layered selves, the more we can work towards resolutions that embrace that intricacy.

  9. Sha'Tara says:

    Hi BH. I like stories as long as I’m “allowed” to categorize them according to my own understanding. Myth, fiction, historical, pseudo-historical, theological, science fiction, romance, medical, military- lots of categories one can use on a story and some stories are very complex and encompass many categories. Having said that, I must state my “belief” in all of it: believe all things, believe in nothing. The stories therefore are always true including those which are outright fabrications. My problem is never with the stories, my problem begins and end with the story tellers and the story believers. I ask, does this story have what it takes to make a difference in my life, or in the world? Is it relevant? If its theme proposes “solutions” to the greater problems of mankind, have such solutions been tried before and were they successful, i.e., did they solve the problem? If they did not then the proponent of such is seen by myself as having a personal and ulterior or hidden motive for promoting the story. So as I listen, or read, or watch, I focus more on the mindset of the story teller than on the contents of the story since I already know that thematically, the story has failed and it will not impact me, or move me to accept its premise. Now then, quote: “Life it’s a quest like the persuit of the Grail.” No doubt we are on a quest, a personal quest which begins when we set a life’s purpose for ourselves, individually, not collectively. It’s perhaps correct to say that life is a quest but it doesn’t seem to be so. In my case, it is not life that is on a quest, but myself. Life, well, that’s something else. Life is that which energizes the cosmos and makes “me” possible. Personally I do not see that life is on any sort of quest, or that it is a quest, unless you are strictly speaking of a living individual as “a life” and not generic life. Of Earthians, I’d say that some are on a quest while most are sleeping their time span between birth and death, relying on others to feed them thoughts and ideas.

    • theburningheart says:

      Yes, that’s my point we are individuals, and therefore we pursue an individual quest, even if some their quest is to find the control of the TV to switch channels, meanwhile others their daily task of getting a crust of bread, to survive, and those whose quest its an inner, more subjective quest of finding themselves, as in the Know Thyself.
      But let me ask you, when do you speak of the ‘reality of reincarnation,’ what purpose serve that?
      If it’s not that, a sort of quest of a metaphysical nature?
      And in my opinion, no more valid than the resurrection, as a metaphysical option, and even of less standing in my view, for ontological reasons, and many Buddhist are ditching reincarnation out, as well as New Vedanta, and other Hindus. 🙂

      http://www.alanpeto.com/buddhism/understanding-reincarnation-rebirth/

      • Sha'Tara says:

        Hi BH, OK, since you ask. Reincarnation is simply real for me, probably as real as your last dinner, or lunch. Nothing “metaphysical” about it for me, I have to live with it, see? Like if a person is born blind, or with a super, genius level IQ. It isn’t “made up” and it’s not a quest but it naturally affects whatever quest one set herself to go on. For example, being recipient of reincarnation I have a different approach to my current physical life and death than would someone who believes in heaven, for example, or the resurrection “of the dead” as is taught in much of Christianity, or someone who lives one life to die and be nothing forevermore or someone who simply “doesn’t know” and is OK with that. Awareness of reincarnation “should” make a person eschew the old survival of self issues, and that other thing: salvation, which is accomplished only through a saviour divinity; someone/something empowered to give life, take life and give back life. My concept of reincarnation does not involve the so-called law of karma either, but any new life will be affected by what experiences took place in other lives. It’s not like that guy who said, ‘Karma is great. Whatever I did to those people back there? They deserved it!’
        There is a huge difference between knowing something empirically or by faith. My awareness of reincarnation is empirical, not based on some personal belief system. It’s not something I’m trying to teach anyone, it can’t be taught; it can only be realized as in some great “Aha!” or “Eureka!” moment. Either someone gets it, or they don’t. Of course then, those who don’t get it, or have other views, will disagree with my approach to problem solving based on my awareness of a certain reality. Some will want to argue the point; some will want to bury me and try to shame me by quoting from the great dead guys. That doesn’t matter to me at all because of one obvious fact: however wonderful the philosophies of these previous great dead guys, none of their ideas have borne sustainable realities. Religions have been spawned, along with philosophies, and great tomes that have helped sustain academia, but in reality? They have not solved man’s existential dilemma. Oh yes, they’ve made it obvious, as nauseam, often by creating conditions that have led to horrible bloodshed, racism, misogyny, war crimes and genocide, but they have neither solved nor resolved anything. All of their surviving concepts are utterly corrupted by the System, or Matrix. Too harsh a judgment? Then let someone prove me wrong by demonstrating how a single one of the past great philosophies are making today’s world a better place to be alive in for all, not just a fortunate (or insanely greedy) few.

        So you say Buddhists are moving away from their belief in reincarnation. Why not since their religion is as corrupt and “worldly” as all the others? Reincarnation doesn’t work for them any longer because it’s more hocus-pocus new-agey gobbledygook than a trusted piece of solid knowledge. Buddhism lost its credibility a long time ago but the process sped-up when it became saturated with Western influence, particularly the influ-enza of money! Hinduism is even more compromised and corrupted by money and political power, so no surprises there either. Who cares what’s beyond the grave when you’re busy gobbling up the earth’s resources now and enslaving, oppressing the poor? Endless discussion, isn’t it. Take care o’ you!

      • theburningheart says:

        A man,or a woman goes to sleep on on his/her bed and dreams she has gone on a world tour traveling over various continents. After many years of strenuous travel, she returns to her country and enter her house and walks into her bedroom.
        Just at that moment she wakes up and realize she has not moved at all, but has been sleeping. She has not returned to her bed after great efforts but was here all the time.
        If it asked ‘why being free we imagine to be bound?’
        I answer, ‘Why while in your bed you imagine to be for years, on strenuous traveling around the world?
        It is all mind.
        Birth and death pertain only to the body.
        They are superimposed on the Self, giving rise to the delusion that birth, and death relate to the Self.

        No need for reincarnation, or complicated stories. 🙂

  10. kertsen says:

    Esoteric stuff , wishful thinking in an attempt to make us more important than we are. We are all children of our own age and we stand upon the shoulders of those who went before . Who would consent to have his blood pressure lowered by the application of leeches? Even the most mystical teachers seek modern medical science when the chips are down. I expand my knowledge , not by my own small wit , but by the surrounding experts and deeper minds. We are fortunate to have access to such material at our finger tips because of the age in which we are born. It’s not that we are cleverer than those in the past but simply that knowledge has moved on.

    • theburningheart says:

      I am glad you think so, however I disagree in that regard with you, there’s a lot of good things in the past, and furthermore, there’s a lot of things, we still do not know, even about the past.
      First let me say I will not boast, I am looking forward to die, but in my culture we celebrate death, and we see it as the natural process of life, nothing wrong with dying, it’s just the normal thing, so why not be merry about it, meanwhile we are alive?
      Most people when are given up by modern medicine, if they have the chance of looking elsewhere for a cure, they will try anything, even Shamanism, and doctors would be first on the line seeking the cure with the Shamans!

      https://www.maps.org/news-letters/v08n3/08322top.html

      http://www.christopher-sheppard.com/health.html

      But let me ask you, are you a Buddhist?
      Or what’s the core of your beliefs? 🙂

      • kertsen says:

        Thank you for a fair and direct reply and for sharing your feelings. You are quite right many cling to life as they believe it is all they have and I understand how they feel ‘ Where there is life there is hope ‘. I’m not looking forward to die but I do not fear my end and I have no illusion that I am worthy to live forever or that I am in anyway special.
        No I’m not a Buddhist since I do not believe in Karma and I see no over-arching sense in life taken as a whole. I am an agnostic so I cannot claim a core of any sort to my beliefs except I have been thrown into the world and must make the best of it. I feel a kingship with all living beings because they also must make the best of what they have been given. My greatest enemy in myself and others is selfishness but I will not close my eyes to that tyrant and find him hateful in myself and others. I have no higher education but a did try to make up for my lack by applying myself to a variety of subjects since I retired from full time work. I live with my wife in a small bungalow on the south coast of England and we have four children in the fast lane of life.
        And fear not lest Existence closing your account and mine,
        Should no the like no more;
        The eternal Sami from that Bowl has poured
        Millions of bubbles like us, and will pour.

  11. theburningheart says:

    Well, thanks for your honest opinions, I am not an agnostic, but neither fear death, although do not enjoy pain, or suffering, but stoically try to endure it. 🙂

  12. Charles Dickens — the author of A Christmas Carol, and an astute observer of the human condition — had his Ghost of Christmas Present say: “This boy is Ignorance, this girl is Want. Beware them both, but most of all, beware this boy!” That was in 1843. Tragically, not very much has changed.

    • theburningheart says:

      Very nice quote from Charles Dickens, yes, unfortunately we need to be educated, each one of us, without exclusions, and it need to be a continuous worldwide effort, of each generation, which make it look like a dim prospect, due to the fact of impermanence, as things always change.
      Our only hope it’s that they change for the good.

      Thank you Anna, for your great comment. 🙂

    • da-AL says:

      Anna, such a great quote – & the burningheart, this is a wonderful post. I’m optimistic about humans in terms of our becoming better ‘on the inside’ – we’re readier to seek out ways to become better people than ever before. What scares me is that technology allows the ‘bad’ among us to be worse than ever…

      • theburningheart says:

        I believe that many people are trying to do just that, be better, idealism was something that I choose, because I want more than just things, like money, I want Justice, Knowledge, Love, and Peace, and that isn’t possible when there’s Ignorance, and want, so the need to be Virtuous.
        da-Al, thank you for your great comment. 🙂

  13. The simpler the better. At the same time, as we see in reading all the comments to this post, complexity is great and fine. It’s such great thing seeing all the complex relations in the universe, in nature, in the mind, in society. So, do we find our way back to simplicity?
    Ellington

    • theburningheart says:

      There’s many good quotes about simplicity, one I like says:

      ‘Life is really simple, but we humans insist on making it complicated.’

      So each of us has to find the way back to simplicity, just like our way out of ignorance, individually, through knowledge, and wisdom.

      Thank you for your comment Ellington. 🙂

  14. Benn Bell says:

    You are hitting on all cylinders today. Nietzsche Occam’s razor Carl Jung My Dinner with Andre I’m with you

  15. Philosophers have been looking for answers as long as we exist. Asking a question isn’t painful, finding the answer might be.
    Ignorance is the basic feature of 21st century, especially, that is ignorance to others’right to have an opinion. We’ve seen many waves which make one focus on themselves, starting with selfies and ending with self-promotions, lack of self-criticism or the opposite: complete self-destruction ignoring the basics of existence.
    It seems like all devices which most people live with and on, are making them feel as if they achieve something by consistently putting themselves out there.
    We rely on some abstract: everybody. Every speaks about that, everybody knows it, everybody wears this, everybody watches that. Who is everybody? It is nobody. It is the corporations making one think that they’d be worth less if they didn’t fit in with “everybody”. Therefore, individual something does not get noticed. It is not usual to say truth or express one’s thoughts. Well, they are watching. The corporate eye is watching us closely via internet.
    People are turned into consumerist machines. They assume they have to buy and keep buying everything. At good rates, getting great deals, as cheap as possible.
    We will be most likely destroyed by the climate change. We can see already now how it’s unfolding as predicted: wildfires, heavy storms, floods, earthquakes at much larger scale than they used to be. We are sinking slowly into the ocean. Arctic is melting and releasing methane, temperatures are rising, how could they not? With all this production and consumption and garbage? Artificial intelligence will definitely take it all over since it won’t have diseases, moods, weaknesses, and, yes, feelings and emotions. I’d give 100 years tops. It will get nasty after some 40 years already. Well, I’m 60 now, I might not see that.

    • theburningheart says:

      Yes, it looks pretty bleak doesn’t it?
      And we agree with you we may not be here to clean up the mess, or pay the bill for all these problems at a global scale, unhinging the Earth out of it’s ecological balance.
      Sorry for my lateness to answer you, busy with the holiday.
      The whole thing seems so childish.
      Thank you for your comment, we appreciate it! 🙂

  16. stolzyblog says:

    Interesting, perhaps especially in the volume of commentary provoked. We may have some kindred elements. Will continue to watch your stuff. Thanks. Try this, if you like, on the angle of arete & virtue in general: https://skirmisheswithreality.net/2015/10/28/3-approaches-to-ethics/#more-220 and for something more specific vis-a-vis the virtue of patience, try this more recent thing I wrote: https://skirmisheswithreality.net/2017/11/23/the-truth-see-demeanor/#more-997 -RS

  17. DG MARYOGA says:

    One more visit to wish you & your loved ones a Merry Christmas & a Prosperous New Year filled with Love,Peace,Happiness & Health 彡★彡

    • theburningheart says:

      Well, right now i am under the weather, and all I crave it’s to rest, even if my body hurts for being in bed for too long.
      Thank you for your nice best wishes, hope all your wishes be fulfilled as well, and be together with your loved ones, sharing the wonderful season 🙂

  18. sk8sandhu says:

    Good morning dear sir,

    I am glad to receive a like from you.

    I read your articles, i am so much impressed by it.
    Our world and children are walking with blind eyes that makes everyone fear and scared, they never listen or try to understand even never analysis the things properly what is right and wrong.

    Our feelings and thoughts will be never taken in account by today’s generation, problem is the surrounding is not good . However we try to explain to them logic and experience about life they kept “deaf ears” reason bad friends become priority for them , not parents and teachers .

    Earlier days, when we were young what school teaches us , parents guides it is assets to us for life time. Now we see children barely talk to parents even being under one roof .

    Life of parent is no longer easy anymore.

    Here, i shall say thank you so much for sharing such a wonderful post with us.

    I highly appreciate it.

    Best regards
    SKS

    • theburningheart says:

      Well, like at all times, and in different ages, the values of the moment are the ones young people absorb, and get impregnated with, in the consumerism oriented society we live it’s only normal to find our values have changed to the lowest common denominator, of how much you have, that’s your worth, Virtues, not being a priority in this type of world we live in, add to the fact each generation has to start, and learn from zero, doesn’t help the matter, in other words, each generation will have to find out their way out of the mess they have created.

      Now it doesn’t take a genius to figure out we need at the top people who should understand the value of education, and the teaching of Virtue, but unfortunately, at the top we have people who only care to enrich themselves, by any means, then there is no wonder our children it’s what they are learning.

      We only learn by example, there’s people who say Virtues cannot be taught, I disagree, on the contrary the only thing we learn it’s by the example of our higher peers, and those we emulate by example.

      Thank you for your nice comment. 🙂

  19. theburningheart says:

    Thank you, very kind of you, we wish you the same for the oncoming New Year! 🙂

  20. natuurfreak says:

    Mensen zetten zich te weinig in.Ze willen alles zo maar krijgen.Dus er is nog veel werk aan de winkel.

    • theburningheart says:

      Yes, Marylou, I am afraid lots of people have the wrong attitude, of wanting everything, meanwhile doing very little to achieve it. 😦

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  22. theburningheart says:

    Thank you! 🙂

  23. macalder02 says:

    I find it exhausting to read you. I had to resort to consultations to understand with certainty what you say. The philosophical cafeteria, writers, scientists, Occam’s razor, etc. In the end, you are absolutely right. We have complicated the world so much that we have forgotten the simple things to continue living. That is my modest understanding. As always, and despite how difficult it is to understand, you have a blog of the best. I like challenges. Greetings.

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