“The Cholq’ ij, or Tzolquin it is our Calendar
that synthetize the whole of Maya’s life,
like an education that direct, guide,
and provide a living Knowledge to the Maya,
it correct, and orientate us
in our conduct towards others,
and every aspect of Existence.
The Cholq’ij it is the synthesis
of Maya Cosmology,
Philosophy, and Science,
this Cosmology we inherited
from our ancestors,
and we keep cultivating…”
Uk’u’x’ Mayab’ Tinamit
(Heart of the Maya people)
One of the problems of studying ancient civilizations, it is of course the centuries, or millennia that separate us, specially when their original language, and writing is lost, then the only resource we have it is the tedious study between the symbols of the lost language, with known more contemporary languages in some form related that we may posses the knowledge to decipher, and interpret, like the famous Rosetta stone in Egypt that the French Champollion discovered in Egypt.
The Rosetta Stone is an ancient Egyptian granodiorite stele inscribed with a decree issued at Memphis in 196 BC on behalf of King Ptolemy V. The decree appears in three scripts: the upper text is Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs, the middle portion Demotic script, and the lowest Ancient Greek, Because it presents essentially the same text in all three scripts (with some minor differences between them), it provided the key to the modern understanding of Egyptian hieroglyphs.
Considering that approximately 800,000 Mayan speakers exist now days, how can we explain the mystery that shroud the Maya up as of today, when the Maya ruins had been study systematically since the late 1800 by European, and American archeology experts like: Stephens, Catherwood, Rafinesque, De Rosny, Kingsbourough, Pío Pérez, Brasseur de Bourbourg, Maudslay, Morley, Thompson, etc.
Simply put this Eurocentric individuals would never think of asking the living Maya!
After all what possible they could find of this poor mostly illiterate peasants?
Hubris! The study of the Maya would had been better advanced if they had bothered to link them with anthropological studies of the people in question. Eurocentric scholars are trying to learn from the dead, rather than from the living.
The Romantic Knorozov
In a novelized story Yuri Valentinovich Knorozov At the closing stages of the war in May 1945, Knorozov and his unit supported the push of the Red Army vanguard into Berlin. It was here, sometime in the aftermath of the Battle of Berlin, that Knorozov is supposed to have by chance retrieved a book which would spark his later interest in and association with deciphering the Maya script. In their retelling, the details of this episode have acquired a somewhat folkloric quality, as “…one of the greatest legends of the history of Mayan research”. Before dying Knorozov recanted this story, and confessed he got the Villacorta’s codices Mayas in a more conventional way…
Knorozov’s key insight was to treat the Maya glyphs represented in de Landa’s alphabet not as an alphabet, but rather as a syllabary. He was perhaps not the first to propose a syllabic basis for the script, but his arguments and evidence were the most compelling to date. He maintained that when de Landa had commanded of his informant to write the equivalent of the Spanish letter “b” (for example), the Maya scribe actually produced the glyph which corresponded to the syllable, /be/, as spoken by de Landa. Knorozov did not actually put forward many new transcriptions based on his analysis, nevertheless he maintained that this approach was the key to understanding the script. In effect, the de Landa “alphabet” was to become almost the “Rosetta stone” of Mayan decipherment.
A further critical principle put forward by Knorozov was that of synharmony. According to this, Mayan words or syllables which had the form consonant-vowel-consonant (CVC) were often to be represented by two glyphs, each representing a CV-syllable (i.e., CV-CV). In the reading, the vowel of the second was meant to be ignored, leaving the reading (CVC) as intended. The principle also stated that when choosing the second CV glyph, it would be one with an echo vowel that matched the vowel of the first glyph syllable. Later analysis has proved this to be largely correct.
Upon the publication of this work from a then hardly known scholar, Knorozov and his thesis came under some severe and at times dismissive criticism. J. Eric S. Thompson, the noted British scholar regarded by all as the leading Mayanist of his day, led the attack. Thompson’s views at that time were solidly anti-phonetic, and his own large body of detailed research had already fleshed-out a view that the Maya inscriptions did not record their actual history, and that the glyphs were founded on ideographic principles. His view was the prevailing one in the field, and many other scholars followed suit.
The situation was further complicated by Knorozov’s paper appearing during the height of the Cold War, and many were able to dismiss his paper as being founded on misguided Marxist-Leninist ideology and polemic. Indeed, in keeping with the mandatory practices of the time, Knorozov’s paper was prefaced by a foreword written by the journal’s editor which contained digressions and propagandist comments extolling the State-sponsored approach by which Knorozov had succeeded where Western scholarship had failed. However, despite claims to the contrary by several of Knorozov’s detractors, Knorozov himself never did include such polemic in his writings.
American Prehispanic cultures
Cultures that may be considered advanced or civilized include: Norte Chico,Cahokia, Zapotec, Toltec, Olmec, Maya, Aztec, Purepecha, Chimor, Mixtec, Moche, Mississippian, Totonac, Teotihuacan, Huastec people, Tarascan, Izapa, Mazatec, and the Inca.
- The Olmec
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NO REGRETS
Laptop is an anagram of Apoptl
The Toltec God whose name means “Eater of Days”
Spin free from trite contextual reference
Warp ten through breathless subtextual vortex
Feeling one another up digitally
Laptop is an anagram of Apoptl
The Toltec God whose name means “Eater of Days”
The velvet suit, the evening gown, the orchid
A second glass of wine and a second glance
Maybe a second chance, a slow Spanish dance
A nod, a wink, the key is under the mat
It’s all on line, so we shall have no regrets
Laptop is an anagram of Apoptl
The Toltec God whose name means “Eater of Days”
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Very interesting.I’m living in Toluca Mexico 40 years ago
That it’s very interesting, you living in Toluca, I have been there just passing through two, or three times in my life, it’s very high some 2,680 meters, or 8,793 ft above sea level, remember one time seeing the volcano from the city, all covered in snow. 🙂
There is so much to learn about the Maya civilization! I wonder if people will study our “selfies” thousands of years into the future or if they will just shake their heads in wonder at us 😉
Well the Maya as a racial group they still thrive in Mexico, and Guatemala, they have safeguarded a lot of their culture, that now it’s having a sort of revival.
About those selfies I guess it will depend on the selfie, I have seen recently one particular selfie, behind carnations flowers, it was quite lovely..!
Thank you Christy for your comment! 🙂
Very good, thank you. I think the big mistake everyone made was to expect everything to change instantaneously. Many of the changes will happen, but over a long period of time, incrementally, step by step, event by event and slowly the new more enlightening humans will come forth, but it could take many daces and centuries in some cases – millennia even, considering that we are only just about starting to move up the ascending arc of the Vedic Great Year.
As you noticed, Jean- Jacques, when you read my posts pre- Dec, 2012, I didn’t not got it wrong, and in fact was very clear about it, you got to take with some high dose of skepticism our Western tradition of Apocalyptic predictions, based into our own culture biases, but wanting to borrow fuel from other different Traditions, but slightly parallel, or similar to the layman, wanting to find confirmation of their own interpretations, since we cannot even blame whoever wrote as for example Revelations of John, or know by many as Apocalypses, borrowed somewhat from the Frashokereti, the name for the Zoroastrian doctrine of a final renovation of the universe, when evil will be destroyed, and everything else will be then in perfect unity with Ahura-Mazda.
Things are not that simple, and contrary to popular belief do not fit properly, as pieces from a different puzzle.
Traditions, and Myths are common to Man, just because in their essence they try to explain, what it has no neat explanation.
And if you look closely, not to the Myth, but the modus operandis , or their accepted subjective dogmas, who have no way to be proven correct, and it’s part of their own Theological views, as to the shape of an afterlife, or other beliefs particular to a specific Tradition, or Religion.
Thank you for your reading, and your comment Jean-Jacques. 🙂
Very informative and beautifully narrated.
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